@fxnmx So making one very minor mistake in vocabulary automatically invalidates my opinions? Congrats on making a sweeping generalization about someone you’ve never met, douchebag.
And no, I didn’t reinforce Harlan Ellison’s point. It was a harmless mistake. I’m sure you’ve made plenty of syntax, grammar, and spelling mistakes before, but are too egotistical to admit it. Even Harlan Ellison, that overrated piece of shit, has made his fair share of mistakes, like becoming an author.
@KaijuEigaMan88
That would be “drivel” instead of “dribble.” If you haven’t mastered such basic vocabulary then your opinions about literature can’t be taken seriously. Thanks for reinforcing Ellison’s point.
Before any of Ellison’s fanboys jump on my case, I have read some of his material and it does not deserve to be called great literature. His short stories are incoherent, absurd dribble that make Thomas Pynchon’s stuff sound sane. His essays are the mean-spirited, depressing rants of a mental case. At least when Al Goldstein did his Fuck You rants on Midnight Blue, he was actually funny. I’ll stick with the true masters of literature: Wells, Hemingway, Frost, Poe, Verne, Orwell, Twain, etc.
Harlan Ellison is a sad, pathetic little man. While I can agree that it is pitiful for people to not recall major historical events/figures/places, there’s no reason to hate someone just because they haven’t spent their lives memorizing every minute detail of a life event. I am a college student myself and well aware of the horrors that happened during Adolph Hitler’s regime. I have actually gone to hear a Holocaust survivor recount her memories at a public speaking. She has since passed away.
well, perhaps it could be to ones personal benefit not to know what dachau is or even forget about it……….if freudian psychology teaches us anything it’s ‘do not dwell on the past’……….transversely, the girl might know something about caterpillar larvae and help many people through it — or not help anyone at all except herself……people are not ingratiated to know anything in particular and people like harlan get off on belittling people who don’t know what they should….fuck ‘em.
One of my great heroes, back when I still had heroes… and what he’s referring to is what I call “cultural literacy,” and he’s right:
The brightest of my students don’t know half what I would expect them to know…
…but the BRIGHTEST of my students are eager to learn, and that’s where it all begins.
This is a problem with History Education, history is once of the lest popular supjects in school at any level, WWII history is usually taught in 9th graders and teachers only spend about three weeks on it.
I typically agree with Ellison on a lot of things but this is a bit blown out of proportion. I could easily, with an air of pretense, cite off plenty of facts about classical Rome and Greece, berating people for not knowing facts about the birthplace of democracy/philosophy, etc.
Remember, there will always be people dumber than you, and always be people smarter than you just as willing to insult you. If someone asks you a question, quit being an arrogant tool and educate them.
“Education is a condition of imposed ignorance.” – Chomsky
Within that statement lie the nuts n bolts of why an average college student in the US wouldn’t acknowledge the significance of Dachau. A college education *can* be highly beneficial, but not within the current racket-framework were it’s often a ‘test’ that many undergo to demonstrate that they want nothing more than to be the most valuable corporate whores possible, eager to sell their souls for illusions of status and privlege.
@TheLongestPath I really don’t know why a college student, today or a hundred years from now, would not know about Dachau. And if you don’t realise it’s significance, then no one can help you. A college student twenty or thirty years from now may not recognize Gitmo as a leftist buzzword, granted. But if they can’t identify Dachau as the germination of The Final Solution, then we’re all lost.
@TheLongestPath I really don’t know why a college student, today or a hundred years from now, would not know about Dachau. And if you don’t realise it’s signifigance, then no one can help you. A college student twenty or thirty years from now may not recognize Gitmo as a leftist buzzword, granted. But if they can’t identify Dachau as the germination of The Final Solution, then we’re all lost.
What Harlen fails to appreciate is that while he grew up when Hitler was in power and would therefore know about things like Dachau as a matter of course, students today grew up 50-70 years after Dachau was opened and therefore unless if they specialized in history wouldn’t necessarily know all the details of Nazi Germany.
If I label a student 50 years from now as being ignorant because she doesn’t know about Guantanamo then I would be an idiot. Similarly he’s an idiot.
Harlan is an asshole, but he is right about this I was showing the movie “Inglorious Bastards” to my friend’s wife and she asked “Did this really happen?” lmao I was like “Are you serious?” I was thinking “I was in the same classes with you please tell me you were paying attention in highschool.”
I don’t know if college students are stupid as they are willfully and continually ignorant.
“Well if you said Buchenwald,we would of known” Bullshit.
Students are ill prepared and uninterested in knowing.
“The others cannot be helped”. So true.
I remember sitting in Sophomore Literature class, and we were discussing the “setting” of the novel and the civil war. The people in my class guessed 1930s or 1920s. My mouth dropped open and I said, “Are you serious?”
.
Of course they got offended and acted like I was an arse, but there really is no excuse for that level of ignorance in a college sophomore.
Preceding film in origin by thousands of years, early plays and dances had elements common to film: scripts, sets, costumes, production, direction, actors, audiences, storyboards, and scores. Much terminology later used in film theory and criticism apply, such as mise en scene roughly, the entire visual picture at any one time. Owing to an absence of technology for doing so, moving visual and aural images were not recorded for replaying as in film.
January 28th, 2012 - 19:12
I felt my spine go cold.
January 28th, 2012 - 19:49
@fxnmx So making one very minor mistake in vocabulary automatically invalidates my opinions? Congrats on making a sweeping generalization about someone you’ve never met, douchebag.
And no, I didn’t reinforce Harlan Ellison’s point. It was a harmless mistake. I’m sure you’ve made plenty of syntax, grammar, and spelling mistakes before, but are too egotistical to admit it. Even Harlan Ellison, that overrated piece of shit, has made his fair share of mistakes, like becoming an author.
January 28th, 2012 - 20:10
@KaijuEigaMan88
That would be “drivel” instead of “dribble.” If you haven’t mastered such basic vocabulary then your opinions about literature can’t be taken seriously. Thanks for reinforcing Ellison’s point.
January 28th, 2012 - 20:34
I’m a college student myself. Class is in a while, guess I’d better get to the cafeteria before they run out of puree of bat guano.
January 28th, 2012 - 21:31
Before any of Ellison’s fanboys jump on my case, I have read some of his material and it does not deserve to be called great literature. His short stories are incoherent, absurd dribble that make Thomas Pynchon’s stuff sound sane. His essays are the mean-spirited, depressing rants of a mental case. At least when Al Goldstein did his Fuck You rants on Midnight Blue, he was actually funny. I’ll stick with the true masters of literature: Wells, Hemingway, Frost, Poe, Verne, Orwell, Twain, etc.
January 28th, 2012 - 21:51
Harlan Ellison is a sad, pathetic little man. While I can agree that it is pitiful for people to not recall major historical events/figures/places, there’s no reason to hate someone just because they haven’t spent their lives memorizing every minute detail of a life event. I am a college student myself and well aware of the horrors that happened during Adolph Hitler’s regime. I have actually gone to hear a Holocaust survivor recount her memories at a public speaking. She has since passed away.
January 28th, 2012 - 22:41
well, perhaps it could be to ones personal benefit not to know what dachau is or even forget about it……….if freudian psychology teaches us anything it’s ‘do not dwell on the past’……….transversely, the girl might know something about caterpillar larvae and help many people through it — or not help anyone at all except herself……people are not ingratiated to know anything in particular and people like harlan get off on belittling people who don’t know what they should….fuck ‘em.
January 28th, 2012 - 22:51
One of my great heroes, back when I still had heroes… and what he’s referring to is what I call “cultural literacy,” and he’s right:
The brightest of my students don’t know half what I would expect them to know…
…but the BRIGHTEST of my students are eager to learn, and that’s where it all begins.
January 28th, 2012 - 23:20
This is a problem with History Education, history is once of the lest popular supjects in school at any level, WWII history is usually taught in 9th graders and teachers only spend about three weeks on it.
January 28th, 2012 - 23:47
What does he say from about 2:26 to 2:31? Please.
January 28th, 2012 - 23:59
I typically agree with Ellison on a lot of things but this is a bit blown out of proportion. I could easily, with an air of pretense, cite off plenty of facts about classical Rome and Greece, berating people for not knowing facts about the birthplace of democracy/philosophy, etc.
Remember, there will always be people dumber than you, and always be people smarter than you just as willing to insult you. If someone asks you a question, quit being an arrogant tool and educate them.
January 29th, 2012 - 00:18
@TheeUnidentified That is a phenominal reply
January 29th, 2012 - 01:18
“Education is a condition of imposed ignorance.” – Chomsky
Within that statement lie the nuts n bolts of why an average college student in the US wouldn’t acknowledge the significance of Dachau. A college education *can* be highly beneficial, but not within the current racket-framework were it’s often a ‘test’ that many undergo to demonstrate that they want nothing more than to be the most valuable corporate whores possible, eager to sell their souls for illusions of status and privlege.
January 29th, 2012 - 02:15
@TheLongestPath I really don’t know why a college student, today or a hundred years from now, would not know about Dachau. And if you don’t realise it’s significance, then no one can help you. A college student twenty or thirty years from now may not recognize Gitmo as a leftist buzzword, granted. But if they can’t identify Dachau as the germination of The Final Solution, then we’re all lost.
January 29th, 2012 - 03:05
@TheLongestPath I really don’t know why a college student, today or a hundred years from now, would not know about Dachau. And if you don’t realise it’s signifigance, then no one can help you. A college student twenty or thirty years from now may not recognize Gitmo as a leftist buzzword, granted. But if they can’t identify Dachau as the germination of The Final Solution, then we’re all lost.
January 29th, 2012 - 03:26
What Harlen fails to appreciate is that while he grew up when Hitler was in power and would therefore know about things like Dachau as a matter of course, students today grew up 50-70 years after Dachau was opened and therefore unless if they specialized in history wouldn’t necessarily know all the details of Nazi Germany.
If I label a student 50 years from now as being ignorant because she doesn’t know about Guantanamo then I would be an idiot. Similarly he’s an idiot.
January 29th, 2012 - 03:32
University students are just as dumb as community college students.
January 29th, 2012 - 04:00
Harlan is an asshole, but he is right about this I was showing the movie “Inglorious Bastards” to my friend’s wife and she asked “Did this really happen?” lmao I was like “Are you serious?” I was thinking “I was in the same classes with you please tell me you were paying attention in highschool.”
January 29th, 2012 - 04:16
3:54
I’ve seen news pundits of numerous ages who meet this characteristic.
January 29th, 2012 - 04:25
buchenwald not buh-ken-wohlt
ignorance is quit a problem
January 29th, 2012 - 04:34
The stuff I hear about american education standards makes me glad I’m not american.
January 29th, 2012 - 05:24
I don’t know if college students are stupid as they are willfully and continually ignorant.
“Well if you said Buchenwald,we would of known” Bullshit.
Students are ill prepared and uninterested in knowing.
“The others cannot be helped”. So true.
January 29th, 2012 - 05:53
This audio segment is from a CD titled ON THE ROAD WITH ELLISON: VOLUME 3, released by Deep Shag Records.
January 29th, 2012 - 06:25
I remember sitting in Sophomore Literature class, and we were discussing the “setting” of the novel and the civil war. The people in my class guessed 1930s or 1920s. My mouth dropped open and I said, “Are you serious?”
.
Of course they got offended and acted like I was an arse, but there really is no excuse for that level of ignorance in a college sophomore.